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2005-01-14 [Kiristo]: yeah, i was thinking the same.

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: Problem that I have with it is that I got second place twice to PC pics...it kinda bothered me at that point...

2005-01-14 [Leara]: There is no advantage, some people are awesome with leads, but can't cg...same vice versa...Most artist I know that use markers to color, their work looks like it was done on computer when it wasn't...art is art...one media does not give advantage over another. It's all how the particular artists uses it.

2005-01-14 [Kiristo]: still it isn't fair. I lost in contests too, to pc or marker art.

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: yeah,becuase people like the big ooh's and aah's of PC work. I couldnt tell you how many times of been squashed,shredded and pummeled the past year,I've entered too many contest with that kind of art.

2005-01-14 [Leara]: It has nothing to do with it being computer colored, it still takes as much effort and work, do people ever consider that the artist is simply more skilled? I've seen full blown CG work get bet by greyscale simple shaded sketches. It's about the artists skill, not what media they use.

2005-01-14 [Aidan Ryuko]: uhm do you have any idea how hard it is to do straight line with a mouse?? it's a lot harder then just draw a picture that is done in half an hour.. (I do the line art with a pencil nowadays) this drawing probably took about 6-8 hours to make.. and I have to give leara right in it:),

2005-01-14 [Aidan Ryuko]: it IS true that cg and markers can make it more flashy in colors, check [Hummingbird] her art, shes my friend and I can't tip her skills by a long shot! i find it incredible how she draws and my simple cg coloring doesnt match it at all!

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: I know,but I still think that those kinds of contests should be separated. I like the pics,dont gt me wrong,I just still find it unfair,because it may take longer,but the results are so substantally better I never seem to stand a chance. Besides,its not like you show your true talent with a penciland hands,your using a machine.

2005-01-14 [Kiristo]: yeah!

2005-01-14 [Aidan Ryuko]: how long do you think the wherewolf on hummingbirds page took?? if you don't even take time then how do you expect to create better work then other people??, and are you insinuating a machine drawing isn't talent-needed? do you think that you can just floop it out by pushing some buttons? you make the curves with the very same hand you draw with.. you shade-erase-shade more-edit it a lot of times.. like using an eraser on paper..

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: Hang on,what CG?

2005-01-14 [Aidan Ryuko]: whatever cg you use.. in my case photoshop 7

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: So you're friend uses her own hands?\

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: So you're friend uses her own hands?

2005-01-14 [Aidan Ryuko]: yes they are pencil ones.. and I use my own hand too, most pictures are line art made by pencil and those who arent i drawn with a mouse (much harder even)

2005-01-14 [Aidan Ryuko]: *off to bed*

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: WOW. Shes talented! You see,I wouldnt mind losing to her. And no,I think that PC art needs talent too,its just a different kind of talent thats a bit more flashy and can be cleaned up easier. I think that drawing talents and PC talents should be in separated contests.

2005-01-14 [Leara]: OMG, I don't mean to sound like a bitch Lady Alaina, but you sound like you can't stand someone being more skilled than you. People draw art, scan it, and color it on computer...how is a piece of art like that, entered in a contest with crayon colored art unfair? An artist can have poor drawing skills, in that case, no matter how good the coloring it, chances are, their not going to win anyways. I asure you, there is nothing unfair or advantagious about CG art over traditional media.

2005-01-14 [Lady Alaina]: .......Um,no,I can stand it,I just cant stand that the flashier and so-called ARTWORK on the PC beating other hard-working hand-drawn pics any longer! I've put up enough of the burning dissapointment for over a year now,and I am SICK of it! I believe that TRUE art comes from your mind,soul,hands,and a trusty pencil,paper,and whatever colring utensil you're best with.

2005-01-14 [Leara]: So...your saying that artwork on computer is easy? Doesn't take skill and hardwork? I've spent 12 HOURS coloring ONE pic...for more than what most would spend coloring with traditional media, it DOES take hard work, and patience, it's harder than picking up a lead and coloring something also, you have to know HOW to use the program, and have SKILL. I'm sorry, but TRUE art comes from your heart and soul, not the media used...saying true art comes from a pencil and piece of paper is an INSULT to TRUE ARTIST, because they KNOW BETTER than to be THAT CLOSEMINDED about art, because thats what your doing, being EXTREMELY closeminded, all you've shown is that you have no clue what it means to be a